Help me follow the logic

[Zanrath]

I hear a lot of complaining that Albions do not do a lot of high lvl RvR and we need more higher lvl chars to get relics back.  My toons are realatively lower lvl beinging in their 30's.  So I look for a group and can't find one near my lvl, but do notice there are a couple of 50's PLing a lvl 6 Sorc in AC (I assume that it is a twink of one of the people there).  I figure that as a fire wizzy I could contribute with dmg buff and dmg shield.  But no there is no PLing going on.  In fact the lvl 6 is solo in AC.  Sure whatever.  I can't see the lvl 50 people needing the xp and would it take that much xp away from the lvl 6 if somebody else was added?  It seems that this guild has turned into the high school click.  There are the "in" people and everybody else.  If you are one of the click people, we will PL your toon all you want, if not, get on the xp treadmill and grind on.  People get tired of spending hours trying to lvl up only to see somebody make a new toon and within a short period of time reach the same lvl as them.  And now Mythic has made it easier with their new "free" toon program.  Yes there was an effort to do twink night, but seems to have turned into BG3 night and wasn't even done this week.  So when all of you high lvl people want to know why there are not enough people your lvl to retake relics or do RvR, look no farther then the end of your nose.

[Axecleaver]

Never force yourself on other people. If there's one value I'd like to impress upon you, it's to respect other people's time in the game.

There's been tons of times when the rvr group I'm in needed speed, heals, even tanks (low damage syndrome) and what we need is doing something else. So I ask once, and a lot of times I get the answer "I'm just tradeskilling for a bit." or "I just want to chat and hang out for a little while." Some folks would badger and cajole; but I'd much rather respect that person's wishes and let them play how they want.

You may be offered powerlevelling during your time here. But I don't expect to hear you complain about not being powerleveled again. If you want a guild that will heap free drops and hours of PL upon you, this isn't it. Vengeance helps those that help themselves.

"Clique" not "click". And the BG group ran Tuesday, but it was just me and Malison, and we stopped around 1030 EST.

If the xp grind is bothering you, I'd recommend four things:
* Try some RvR in whatever battleground you're in. If that isn't feasible,
* Roll an alt, preferably a solo-capable one or someone who gets easy groups. Example: friar, cleric, paladin.
* Quest. I've done nearly every one of the Albion quests, in classic and SI. A lot of them are stupid; a lot of them are fun and soloable.
* Play a different game. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. I like to take a day to play something else every now and then.

[Mchagen]

Axe hit this right on the nail.  I play this game for fun, not for charity work.  

I had offered to help Nari level his lowbie while I was talking with him earlier.  My usual rule is no more than two lowbies or afk's in the group if there's a pl group going.  Otherwise it's too difficult for me to do my job if I'm the only tank.

I've been through the grind over and over.  I've leveled four level 50's and various other characters in the 40's  range and numerous chars in the 20's and 30's.  I know how tough it is to group and to level.  I help others, but I don't go out of my way to do so.  

If I pl'd everyone in the game that asked me for it, I wouldn't be able to do anything else.      

[Zanrath]

My posting certainly was not a complaint about not being PL'd.  My post was to maybe get people to think a little differently.  It was a possible solution to a problem that the higher lvl people of Albion seem to have, they lack numbers in higher lvl RvR.

I would never force myself on anybodies group nor badger them.  I asked once and got a total BS story.  It really made me feel like $h!t to be lied to from people in my own guild.  

"Clique" no "click".  Whatever, it got the point across.  Thanks for the English lesson.  You know as well as anybody else, if you said "hey this is Axe with my new toon" people could not have invited your char fast enough.

[Rosslyn]

well, I'll chime in with my two cents...

One thing to consider in that specific AC situation (I wasn't there so I really have no idea what went down) is that, while the 50's may not need the xp, everyone needs cash and you can do worse than farm for salvage drops there.  It's possible and plausible that they were just horsing around getting some cash and someone decided to show up w/ their lvl 6 hoping for a little free PL, and it may or may not have happened.

Regardless, I think the type of response you've gotten to this post is a direct result of the tone of your original message (and the follow-up wasn't much different).  Personally, I thought that maybe 10% of the original post mentioned a "possible solution to a problem", and the rest of it was a gripe about either not being PL'd, other people being PL'd and passing you, or questionable treatment from guildies.  The dripping sarcasm (although we're all guilty of being sarcastic to some degree at times) is also probably not the best way to convince people to spend their own personal time PL'ing you, you know what I mean?  I'm reminded of a saying that goes something like "You catch more flies with honey than you do with shit".

Along the same line, in response to somewhat petty statement regarding a hypothetical new Axe toon being PL'd immediately, I will agree with you on one level.  I personally would in fact probably drop what I was doing (within reason) to PL a char for Axe [note, this is rhetorical because someone with access to 4857573 accounts probably doesn't need PL luvvin most days].  The part that seems to be escaping you is that my reason for doing this would be because of the amount of time Axe has spent PLing/helping/crafting/leading/listening for me and many others.  I guess I could sum up my long-winded response by saying that you pretty much get out of the guild what you put into it.  

EDIT:  and as a matter of courtesy, it would be cool to see gripes of this sort in the private guild forum as opposed to the public forum that anyone can access.  I'm certainly not discouraging anyone from airing their concerns, but some things should probably be considered guild business and handled as such.

(Edited by Rosslyn at 10:26 pm on May 9, 2003)

[Lifesbane]

i know the suckage of xp'ing well zanrath. ive been playing sence a month after release and still dont have a 50 yet. ive been in this guild sence about 2 or 3 weeks after that. Ive always known the members of this guild to be helpful and accomidating whenever posible to all other members. personally i'd be happy to PL you or any other member, and would do so redily if i had the right componets in a group for my wizard, however there are often times when people are busy or not looking to deal with powerleveling (it can bring a lot of complications, i.e. keeping the lowbee alive, more adds coming, ect) or their semi-afk, or just looking to kill a few mobs while they watch a movie (my personal favorite ) my best advice is to just have fun with the game and the people in it, get to know everybody and maybe you'll get a few PL offers

[Durandana]

As far as the Twink night thing,

I am not sure if you was around when we started it so i will explain the deal with that.

We wanted to start alts and try to create a Beatsquad for RvR with it. We would level the beatsquad to the various levels for the different BG's and then cap out on RP's for each one as we went.

The whole reason for the twink night really, was to get a full group of our alts to level 35 and have fun in BG3.

For various reasons it is not going to well right now because a lot of the people that started it dropped out. But It was not supposed to be Powerlevel the alts night.

Now with the free level 20's coming out maybe we can set aside one of the nights as alt night and use that to help the lower levels. That will have to be put up for discussion. Maybe leave Tuesday evening as BG3 night and call Wednesday evening twink night. Doesnt really matter to me as long as 1 of the nights is reserved for our BG3 toons.

[Mchagen]

"got a total BS story"

Heh, I was just being humorous.  

Let me tell you something.  Almost 50% of all the people that ask for pl that I turn down give me some nasty remark after I tell them no.  Even if I said it as politely as possible.  I've even had people call me rude for not helping them out.  Personally, I'm sick of the whole thing.  If this game is causing a person that much trouble that it isn't fun, that person needs to take a break or quit.  

    

[Caohmin]

"You may be offered powerlevelling during your time here. But I don't expect to hear you complain about not being powerleveled again. If you want a guild that will heap free drops and hours of PL upon you, this isn't it. Vengeance helps those that help themselves."

This part was worth repeating.

[Amberryl]

i'll make this quick... there isn't much pride in a powerlevel'd toon

[Zutroy]

I agree with Amb. There's a reason why most people who get PL'd toons or buy theirs off ebay end up quitting within 2 months.

[Sodom]

I'd also state that I have no confidence in a player's ability to play their PL'd toon - the grind to 50 is what teaches you to play your toon.

[Mchagen]

I'll agree to an extent.  If you've been playing this game long enough though, it doesn't take much to learn a new character.  

And after you've done the level grind over and over, pl'ing is all you can stand.  But for someone starting the game fresh... I have no sympathy for.  I didn't get any pl'ing on my original characters.  

[Mattee]

I wanted to add my thoughts on this one - being an ex guildie and all

First of all it does not matter what level you are or how many rps you have... truth be told if you stink you stink. I am the prime example of being a pl'd toon... I would say most people would tell you that I use to stink big time. Not a clue about buffage and I didn't use the right heals (the list went on). I had to start learning this stuff and after I did, I realized man I did stink. It doesn't pay to get pl'd because you still won't know how to "really" play your toon to the best of your ability. This game has stats but its really the knowledge of the game, and the person behind the toon that makes the toon good not the level nor the rps.

Being a huge RvR fan, I look well beyond the level and look at the whole picture. I would rather have an informed player than one who doesn't understand the game.

Just a few thoughts from me - Enjoy the leveling as much as you can. There are some cool drops to get - have fun with the lower levels.

[Rosslyn]

Hi Mattee!

How about some RvR PLing?