Vengeance

No, of course not.

Bedevere - Midgard
Bors - Albion
Bors - Hibernia
Galahad - Hibernia
Galahad - Midgard
Gawaine - Midgard
Igraine - Midgard
Lancelot - Hibernia
Lancelot - Midgard
Merlin - Hibernia
Palomides - Hibernia
Palomides - Midgard
Percival - Hibernia

Figures.

Heh, look at the stats of midgard on bedevere. They have all 3 power relics and are less than 1 million behind Alb in total RPs.

If you look at Lancelot, midgard is actually in the lead for total RPs and Albs have no relics.

Same situation on Palo.

Hib doesn't seem to be doing that bad on Percival either.

What the hell did they base these on? Raw population numbers?

im confused... does this mean we dont get /level?????!?!?!?!?

ROFL! That has to be on the most Fk'ed up things i've ever seen.

Mythic needs to go over that and base it on something better than population charts, retards.

And yeah amber, iseult get's no 30's.

Amb - it means we only get the /level 20 and not the 30.

I kinda knew they'd do it that way. They're not publishing how they got to those numbers because it's too simple, and they didn't want to take shit for it.

Oh well -- it'll be a nice tool for levelling alts on other servers. So where do we want to roll BG toons?

ty coah for clearing that up 0_o

'We aren't going to publish the method for how we determine the line between the normal ebb and flow of a server and a true population imbalance. There are several reasons for this decision, but one of the major ones is that we don't want to create a situation where people might be tempted to manipulate the system just to get free level 30s. That's not a good idea for a number of reasons (not least being that it won't work - we're looking for statistical patterns, not simple temporary anomalies), so we will attempt to avoid the problem altogether.'

Uh, that sounds like a load of BS to me. Their major reason for not allowing us to know is because we might exploit it? Then she says its impossible for us to exploit it. Which one is it?

And last I checked, Alb/Iseult has been at the bottom of the RP charts for nearly a full year now. But I guess that's just the "normal ebb and flow".

Here's an interesting list. All the servers that got free 30's have an * next to them.

server Populations
Bedevere:
Albion: 1099(43.00)
Hibernia: 766(29.97)
Midgard: 691(27.03)*
Bors:
Albion: 668(27.83)*
Hibernia: 611(25.46)*
Midgard: 1121(46.71)
Galahad:
Albion: 1198(41.07)
Hibernia: 852(29.21)*
Midgard: 867(29.72)*
Gawaine:
Albion: 1119(41.11)
Hibernia: 914(33.58)
Midgard: 689(25.31)*
Guinevere:
Albion: 1712(37.82)
Hibernia: 1403(30.99)
Midgard: 1412(31.19)
Igraine:
Albion: 1007(39.23)
Hibernia: 964(37.55)
Midgard: 596(23.22)*
Iseult:
Albion: 588(26.87)
Hibernia: 822(37.57)
Midgard: 778(35.56)
Kay:
Albion: 772(30.93)
Hibernia: 867(34.74)
Midgard: 857(34.33)
Lancelot:
Albion: 1708(44.18)
Hibernia: 992(25.66)*
Midgard: 1166(30.16)*
Merlin:
Albion: 1142(40.40)
Hibernia: 657(23.24)*
Midgard: 1028(36.36)
Morgan:
Albion: 1318(36.26)
Hibernia: 1264(34.77)
Midgard: 1053(28.97)
Nimue:
Albion: 610(30.92)
Hibernia: 666(33.76)
Midgard: 697(35.33)
Palomides:
Albion: 1079(45.76)
Hibernia: 632(26.80)*
Midgard: 647(27.44)*
Pellinor:
Albion: 763(35.11)
Hibernia: 758(34.88)
Midgard: 652(30.00)
Percival:
Albion: 1484(36.90)
Hibernia: 1127(28.02)*
Midgard: 1411(35.08)
Tristan:
Albion: 849(35.04)
Hibernia: 852(35.16)
Midgard: 722(29.80)

Gonna try crunching some numbers and see if I can find the specific % they used. It seems alb/iseult just barely fell short of it whatever it was.

Edit: Found the percentages. Highest was 45.4% (from Hib/Bors) lowest was 24.0% (from Hib/Percival).
 
Realms that didn't get free 30's but scored above 24%:
Alb/Iseult was at 28.5%
Hib/Bedevere was at 30.3%

Edit #2 - Note that the lowest % after Hib/Percival was Mid/Galhad with 27.6%. Also note that no servers with less than 1000 people in the dominate realm got free 30s.

Edit #3 - Notice that Alb/Iseult actually has the lowest population of any realm on any server.

(Edited by Zutroy at 7:58 pm on June 2, 2003)

where are those numbers published?

hmm.. damn. hey Zut why dont you send these numbers to the devs or Sanya, see if you get anything?
i know they probably dont give a second crap, but might be worth a try

So I think we should pick a mid server and all roll bandwagoners :)  

Then pick a hib server and roll  the 30s and see how powerful a hib group can be with 9s stun.

Those numbers were from June 1st, taking into account all level 35+ with at least 500 RPs the last week. I found it in that official thread started by sanya on the dev board. It's about 1/2 way down the first page.

Oddly enough, i've seen conflicting reports on this.  Kate's active numbers at least, seem to indicate that hib is the lowest populated realm, and mid and alb are tied.  We have a lot of casual RvR people.

Something I've been noticing lately, somewhat unrelated.  We haven't been able to claim a keep during the late afternoon/early evening because there have been no officers online to invite temps?  Can someone please promote Duran or something :)

That list could be deceptive though, because it's using an arbitrary RP cutoff. I wager they didn't use an RP cutoff at all, just calculated active (played once in the last two weeks) populations and then picked all realms  under 25%, or something similar.

I think all decorated vets (rank 6 or 7?) have keep claiming priv now. At least I remember axe posting something about that awhile back.

kate's numbers are just total population, 1 - 50 of guilded characters. I think on the majority of servers, alb holds a population advantage for one reason or another (better PvE? more noobs?). I wouldn't personally consider 35+ with 500 RPs in the last week as active RvRers either; you'd really need to look at 10k+ RPs to figure that out.

Mythic's definition of balanced seems to be equal population irreguardless of current RP and relic standings. Giving free 30s to servers like bedevere, galahad and lancelot will probably just makes things worse.

Yeah, its not a matter of claimage, more of not having 8 people on at the same time, and not being able to invite temps.

I wish they'd consider active RvR population on a monthly basis for determining level 30s.  I think 5k Rp a week can at least make you semi-active.

Well, lets see... we have a guild set up on Hib/Bors...

And if you need weapons on Bors, I am still climbing the WCing scale, I'm at 912 right now...and I have a 701 Alchemist....50 champ, 41.5 animist, 30 enchnater, 30 NS, 30 bard, 30 warden, 30 Hero, and a 30 Ranger :)  I'm enjoyed the /level 30

I xfered 2 plat over there too... hm...

I still have my 34 druid over there. Not sure if I wanna still play him though...

Zut, you don't need to play him, roll any one of the flavor of the month characters /level 30, such as the mana enchanter, or the Nightshade....plenty of level 30's running around.  I have never seen so much RvR as I did in BG3 last night.  We had 80 people in the cg, and we had no chance at the ck...we weren't coordinated enough, but the Albs had just as many out there....Mids on Bors finally know what it meant to get zerged.  Bors is the ONLY Albion /level 30, so we expect anybody who wanted an Alb bandwagon went to Bors.  People were saying that when they logged on, we had over 2300 on.  When we did /who all, Hib was showing numbers such as 500+ at times.  And a /who 30 revealed 225+...Come on over for some bandwagoning fun!!

im prolly gonna jump over there for a bit too, reroll my ranger and Hero,lt should be fun if anyone wants to give it a shot.. i think Pesa will reroll his bard too.

Mid/Galahad was pretty fun last night.  Seeing all those level 30s running around, most with no clue how to get around Midgard (including myself)

We even had DF when I logged in.  It was so packed.  I ended up going 25 RC/16 suppression for the group bladeturn.  Its a pretty good spec for soloing yellows.

Then I levelled my minstrel and wizard on Iseult, and ran with some of Venor's alts.  Boomur made an inconnu armsman, dressed him in black plate, and gave him a two handed falchion.  Named him Pygmy Telamon, and i swear he looked just like one.  Of course, no hibs or mids came out to play.

Where's a good spot to level 30+ in hib? I've decided to try a mana eld and maybe an NS (just for BG3). I have access to a friend's account for next couple of weeks while he's on vacation so I can make us a buffbot if we need it :P

(Edited by Zutroy at 2:51 pm on June 4, 2003)

Check some of the VN class boards, they usually have a complete levelling guide somewhere among their threads.

Bors is down :(

Edit - I rolled a NS with a druid bot. If anyone wants some free buffs I'll prolly be leveling in the gorge or wherever I can find an uncamped spot.

(Edited by Zutroy at 4:38 pm on June 4, 2003)

I was thinking of rolling a NS with a bard and druid bot... Than i heard on bors that mids camp the MG's with 5fg's + trebs and i said f that.. PD how is RvR on bors really?

Bors:
ALBION: 57,541,109 (32.04% of total)
HIBERNIA: 41,006,157 (22.83% of total)
MIDGARD: 81,054,526 (45.13% of total)

Hooray for bugged Herald!

Masta, that's not bugged....that's about the truth.  Most of those who are considered hard core RvRers...have left the server....RvR??  I don't know, I'm a crafter, I don't RvR much, except the occational romp in BG 3, and a failed attempt at the relic....

This is a little something I fed in as feedback, the main point of interest to me was that when i compared the realms to those who got /level 30 it was all the high population realms that got it. Since a stated reason for this was to address the problem of low population realms i was a little taken aback. It would seem the criteria was solely realm imbalance not server population imbalance. And even then as has been pointed out the formulea used (i think they tossed darts) was pretty suspect.

My feedback
Ive pasted the server numbers as of last night a bit further down the pages, the numbers go up and down but the order of big to small remains much the same. Below that I posted your list of /level 30 servers.

You might note that you have to climb 9 places from the least populous server before you reach one on your list. Virtually all the /level 30s were given to the upper half (more heavily populated servers) of the realms in terms of population.

This shows clearly shows the one thing you are not doing, is addressing low population servers because your encouraging people to go to the more heavily populated ones. Forgive me for boggling at the utter stupidity of that. Iseult contains the lowest population realm (Albion) with what is undoubtedly one of the worst records in RvR and you do nothing for them or any of the other truly low population servers??

I guess I got to ask was the person who drew up this list drunk? Because on any basis imaginable, be it realm population balance or server population balance it doesnt make sense. Yes, you have addressed some realm population imbalances on heavily populated servers, but then left other low populated servers where the imbalance is magnified by lack of people playing, totally in the lurch.

The general conclusion of most people is that you dont have a valid method for making  your selection and that is your reason for not revealing it. Umm you may not have twigged but no one believes the line taken by Sanya on the herald as to why your not revealing it.

Current server message:
Welcome to Dark Age of Camelot! All servers are currently up and running version 1.62. Thank you for playing.

Pendragon (Test)  68
Andred (PvP)  81
Gaheris (Cooperative)  816
Pellinor  821
Mordred (PvP)  855
Iseult  878
Nimue (Roleplay)  882
Bedevere  902
Kay  951
Tristan  957
Palomides  1008
Igraine  1015
Gawaine  1126
Bors  1328
Galahad  1337
Percival (Roleplay)  1652
Morgan Le Fay  1711
Lancelot  1810
Guinevere (Roleplay)  1812
Merlin  2008
Currently defending the  
 
/level 30 realms
Bedevere - Midgard
Bors - Albion
Bors - Hibernia
Galahad - Hibernia
Galahad - Midgard
Gawaine - Midgard
Igraine - Midgard
Lancelot - Hibernia
Lancelot - Midgard
Merlin - Hibernia
Palomides - Hibernia
Palomides - Midgard
Percival - Hibernia

I have a feeling the population boom on those servers will die down in a couple weeks. It's just like "Lurikeen Revolution" thing and when they opened the PvP and PvE servers for the first time.

Eventually people will get bored and return to their old chars. The small percentage that do stay will (at least mythic hopes it will) make the server a little more balanced.

And Umbos is back on Bors...YIPPIE!

Sorry PD, We had to send Umbos back to Bors... They couldn't handle how well the Mids and hibs play here and cried too much. But at least you got a vacation from them :)

Aye, was nice while it lasted.  They are good players, don't get me wrong on that........

hmm those server population figures are pretty typical tho of before the patch though, same realms had big pops before I think you will find. I know Iseult hasnt budged from where it was.

I can tell you that before patch Bors was either one up or one down from Iseult.  Now it has skyrocketed up there with numbers similar to MLF.  So Bors has gone up dramatically in population since 1.62

"hmm those server population figures are pretty typical tho of before the patch though, same realms had big pops before I think you will find"

Bors usually had the lowest pop of any normal server before the patch and it's now typically in the top 5 most nights. Morgan Le Fay was always either number 1 or 2 during all hours of the day because of the large asian population there; now its slipped to number 6.

I agree with you on iseult though, it's always been near the bottom and this patch didn't change anything.

Because if a realm didn't get 30s, no one in their right mind would reroll there.  Just find the most competitive "losing" realm (like Mid Galahad) and make a 30 there.  

The only reason someone would roll here is to compete with or against Bedlam.  

It's easy to compete with the bedpans Mal, just pee on them :))

I played Bors for quite a while and still got a few 30ish toons there and (pre patch ones) and dont remember it ever been all that low, i always thought it just in the lower half. Heh but who knows maybe my mind if going. I havent reallly seen any differene and i know while i have made some 30s elsewhere im not really temped to play them. Kind of feel like that would be giving in to the idiots who concocted such a biased system.

I'd like to get on board if Vengeance BG's occasionally on Bors.  I have a warden, VW, Druid, Champ, BM,Eld, Chanter, NS over there.  Eld, chanter, and NS are least preferred to play.