Vengeance

On Pendragon with Mastery of Pain 5 and purge 2

*** Chat Log Opened: Wed May 05 18:28:48 2004

[18:49:40] You perform your Doubler perfectly. (+68)
[18:49:40] You attack the underhill zealot with your hammer and hit for 226 (-25) damage!
[18:49:40] The underhill zealot begins moving more slowly!
[18:49:40] You hit for 69 (-8) damage!
[18:49:44] You perform your Sun and Moon perfectly. (+93)
[18:49:44] You attack the underhill zealot with your hammer and hit for 263 (-29) damage!
[18:49:44] The underhill zealot cannot seem to move!
[18:49:44] underhill zealot does 14 extra damage to you!
[18:49:44] The underhill zealot hits you for 14 damage.

[19:16:14] You attack Klora with your hammer and hit for 212 (-18) damage!
[19:16:14] You critical hit for an additional 55 damage!
[19:16:14] You hit for 67 (-6) damage!
[19:16:19] You perform your Bone Bruiser perfectly. (+49)
[19:16:19] You attack Klora with your hammer and hit for 319 (+26) damage!
[19:16:19] Klora can't attack as fast as normal!
[19:16:21] Klora attacks you with her sword!
[19:16:21] Your melee buffer absorbs 24 damage!
[19:16:21] Klora hits you for 0 damage.
[19:16:21] Klora casts a spell!
[19:16:22] You miss!
[19:20:41] You perform your Doubler perfectly. (+86)
[19:20:41] You attack Handig with your hammer and hit for 221 (-95) damage!
[19:20:44] You perform your Sun and Moon perfectly. (+104)
[19:20:44] You attack Handig with your hammer and hit for 228 (-98) damage!
[19:20:44] You critical hit for an additional 91 damage!
[19:20:44] You just killed Handig!

[19:22:02] You attack Loserx with your hammer and hit for 355 (-39) damage!
[19:22:02] Loserx begins moving more slowly!
[19:22:04] You prepare to perform a Sun and Moon!
[19:22:04] Your melee buffer absorbs 70 damage and dissipates!
[19:22:04] Loserx hits you for 170 damage.
[19:22:06] You are healed by Adrobaen for 170 hit points.
[19:22:06] You perform your Sun and Moon perfectly. (+120)
[19:22:06] You attack Loserx with your hammer and hit for 338 (-38) damage!
[19:22:06] You critical hit for an additional 101 damage!
[19:22:06] Loserx cannot seem to move!
[19:22:06] You hit for 62 (-7) damage!
[19:22:06] Loserx was just killed by Osays!

[19:22:41] You perform your Doubler perfectly. (+85)
[19:22:41] You attack Ailehaw with your hammer and hit for 314 damage!
[19:22:41] You critical hit for an additional 69 damage!
[19:22:41] You hit Ailehaw for 30 extra damage!
[19:22:41] Ailehaw begins moving more slowly!
[19:22:44] You prepare to perform a Doubler!
[19:22:44] You are now preparing to perform a Sun and Moon style as a backup for Doubler!
[19:22:45] Ailehaw is not in view!
[19:22:45] You attack Ailehaw with your hammer and hit for 236 damage!
[19:22:45] You critical hit for an additional 73 damage!
[19:22:45] Ailehaw does 12 extra damage to you!
[19:22:49] Ailehaw is too far away to attack!
[19:22:55] Ailehaw is too far away to attack!
[19:22:55] You use an item and return to normal movement speed.
[19:22:55] You attempt to use the arcanium Fortifying Benthic Great Hammer.
[19:22:58] Ailehaw is too far away to attack!

[19:23:08] Popstaar begins moving more slowly!
[19:23:09] You attack Popstaar with your hammer and hit for 175 (-61) damage!
[19:23:09] You critical hit for an additional 56 damage!
[19:23:09] You just killed Popstaar!

[19:24:26] You attack Tyyke with your hammer and hit for 411 (-144) damage!

[19:24:37] You attack Thiclock with your hammer and hit for 152 (-68) damage!
[19:24:37] A barrier absorbs 76 damage of your attack!
[19:24:37] You hit for 45 (-21) damage!
[19:24:40] Thiclock hits you for 174 damage.
[19:24:40] You cannot move!
[19:24:41] You are already preparing to use this style!  Type /cancelstyle to enable style

cancelling.
[19:24:41] You can't do that while paralyzed!
[19:24:41] You can't do that while paralyzed!
[19:24:41] Salomm has left the chat group.
[19:24:42] You cancel your effect.
[19:24:42] You can't do that while paralyzed!
[19:24:44] You are now preparing to perform a Bone Bruiser style as a backup for Doubler!
[19:24:45] Your melee buffer absorbs 70 damage and dissipates!
[19:24:45] Thiclock hits you for 8 damage.
[19:24:45] You are afflicted with vicious poison!
[19:24:45] Thiclock hits you for 42 damage.
[19:24:47] Thiclock attacks you with his sword!
[19:24:47] Thiclock hits you for 108 damage.
[19:24:48]  You are no longer auto-following your target.
[19:24:48] Ricoyam hits you for 31 damage.
[19:24:50] Thiclock is not in view!
[19:24:51] You attack Thiclock with your hammer and hit for 230 (-37) damage!
[19:24:55] You perform your Bone Bruiser perfectly. (+54)
[19:24:55] You attack Thiclock with your hammer and hit for 223 (-100) damage!
[19:24:55] You critical hit for an additional 60 damage!
[19:24:55] Thiclock can't attack as fast as normal!
[19:24:55] You hit for 48 (-22) damage!

[19:26:27] You perform your Onslaught perfectly. (+124)
[19:26:27] You attack Davi with your hammer and hit for 443 (+21) damage!
[19:26:27] Davi begins moving more slowly!
[19:26:33] You prepare to perform a Doubler!
[19:26:37] You perform your Doubler perfectly. (+174)
[19:26:37] You attack Davi with your hammer and hit for 569 (+32) damage!
[19:26:37] You just killed Davi!

[19:27:02] You perform your Doubler perfectly. (+112)
[19:27:02] You attack Darquezirl with your hammer and hit for 206 (-206) damage!
[19:27:02] You just killed Darquezirl!

*** Chat Log Closed: Wed May 05 19:29:31 2004

Quote[19:26:27] You perform your Onslaught perfectly. (+124)
[19:26:27] You attack Davi with your hammer and hit for 443 (+21) damage!
[19:26:27] Davi begins moving more slowly!
[19:26:33] You prepare to perform a Doubler!
[19:26:37] You perform your Doubler perfectly. (+174)
[19:26:37] You attack Davi with your hammer and hit for 569 (+32) damage!
[19:26:37] You just killed Davi!

holy crap!!  What level was this guy, 20?

(Edited by Rosslyn at 1:19 am on May 6, 2004)

Nice. Guess we'll be seeing more of the orange tin can out in the field.

:-)

axe, few questions.
What spec (with realm and SC +'s)
What qual is your 2 hander
What buffs did you have

I left out the last two fights in the following calculations.

Average increase in dmg using the info above is 12% for MoP 5. This is in line with an Archer that tested Falcon Eye. He got 11% - but on this amount of data that is probably an acceptable variance.

The question is, is MoP worth it? My guess is no.

If your target has 2000 HP, and you swing for 260*, it will take you 8 hits to bring him down. If you swing for 291** it will take you 7 swings. So you bring down the average Joe 3 seconds earlier.

The calculations get even worse for people with less hits, because you have less time for those crits to add up.

Now you guys know that I'm no math major. Something wrong with my thinking?

*I averaged the dmg without crits, and took out the double digit dmg, cause I didn't know why they were there - noob at the wheel or some kind of dmg add.

** (260 * .12) + 260

This was with a 97% matter 2h hammer, 5.4 delay (IIRC). That one dude I hit so hard conned yellow, not sure what his deal was, crap armor I guess.

Spec is

50 2h
48 chant
29 parry

my first thought was that if the whole assist train (say, 4 people) had MoP 5, then it would only take one collective swing to bring the Average Joe down, vs. 2 swings (or 1.5, but more than one in any case).  I guess I'm thinking of it in terms of one "combat round" where everbody gets off one attack.

The obvious time when it's worth it is when you're going toe to toe with someone who doesn't have it.  All other things being equal, you win.  :)

Ross you're right, but if you only win by one swing? How many fights have you been in where it literally came down to one swing? Or even two...?

Are the number of times worth 34 points?

I'm just asking. I really want to figure it out. You guys are better at math than me. Am I on the right track thinking about this?

I think I'm going to try aug str 5 instead and see what kind of results I get.

This is with somewhat crappy buffs btw -- I only get 299 strength fully buffed. Kids is copied with only 12% enhance gear and no more MoA.

So, any word on whether the absence of variance with LW is a bug or a 'feature?'

I'd drop thrust and push shield to 50 and the rest parry if it's going to stay.

Not widely known information at this time. I heard second or third hand that Mythic knows about the issue but doesn't consider it a high priority to address -- it's here to stay for a while. I guess you'd be taking a risk, but the benefits are pretty high.

nothing that a six plat respec stone wouldn't fix

So guys - can we get back on topic?

Axe I'm judging from your response that you too feel MoP and its variants FE (archer) and the caster one, are not worth the points.

As to str...I don't know but I do know that dex won't raise bow dmg but does raise the variance.

Well, same deal here with melee weapons...  str increases weaponskill and tightens variance so you hit nearer your cap. Keep in mind cap for me is somewhere around 660 or so with that 2h weapon, so there's a LOT of room to improve.

I'll try aug 5 and the 42 shield/50 2h spec and see how it goes.